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From their money. they think they can persuade, i don't know who with the super ideological message. all they are doing is stimulating the economy. >> josh? >> i wonder if they are getting what they want out of this. again, i don't think it's about influencing electoral outcomes. it's changing the discussion for entertainment. they want the e lek tral outcome he prefers. i think these people see value in changing the discussion and getting people to talk about barack obama as a socialist. >> totally. talk about the debt and deficit. when democracy now sent a reporter around to talk to the rnc,...

President is stronger in florida and ohio than romney is in michigan an pennsylvania or wisconsin. he needs to be in a position where he can put together different paths to 270. right now, the president has more ways to get to 270. it's close. they are both going to start with 200 e lek tral votes. it's a more meaningful number. >> eugene robinson, i want to show you what mitt romney said when asked about this. take a look. he's very confident. >> start packing. that's what i would like to say. obviously, we have a very different view. the president, i'm sure wants another four years. the firs...