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August. i wonder, les, how troublesome is that kind of information coupled with the possibility that if this metrojet did have an explosion, it may have been an inside job. so now you've got potentially somebody working inside the sharm el sheikh airport and then you also have potentially the capability of a missile striking a flight, a plane taking off in that area. what are your concerns about how the investigation moves forward to protect the airways there? >> well, fredricka, from the -- from my understanding, that missile was something the egyptians were doing on a military exercise, of c...

I wish there was a little more transparency earlier, but they talked about 58 people. and this is not being done in a vacuum. these are qualified, experienced people, all very good in their field. and they're out there, conducting what appears to be a real iko investigation. they have a tremendous reputation, so i really applaud them for saying, we don't know for sure what this sound is and whether it's an explosion, great but, absolutely, if this is a catalyst that gets us to focus more on our security measures, both abroad and the united states, then so be it. then i think that's a good resu...

Do you watch who's jumping over fences? in new jersey, they put a $100 million fence all the way around the entire airport. and then somebody who was drunk one night decided to jump over it and ran all the way to the gates, across the tarmac. so, i think these are the biggest -- this is the biggest vulnerability that's been going on for a long time. and we don't necessarily need the egyptians to tell us that's how it happened and we're to fix our own security. >> all right. jonathan gilliam, les oppend, thanks for being here. next, the road to the white house. ben carson says the media is ou...