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You have mitch mcconnell up there who's trying to push the situation so that you can get tax reform. that's what steven mnuchin was talking about. when knutson wants the tax reform deal. ideally more than just a tax cut. trump was more interested in avoiding the idea of a jam-packed potentially explosive september giving himself time. he's doing it in such a way that he actually would resolve the problem. it now becomes more of a explosive situation in december and democrats -- come >> lisa: trying to get funding for the wall. you see this leverage in that debate because democrats can tie the ...

Point that president obama put him in this position and now congress has to do its job? >> this is not an indictment on president barack obama. let's focus on president trump because it is his actions through jeff sessions that are scaring and sending terrors of fear into these students, these young men and women throughout the country. over 100 legal scholars have already opined that, in fact, docca is constitutional. if the attorney general jeff sessions wanted to test the constitutionality of docca, he could have let it elevate itself to the supreme court and a lot of justices to decide if ...

Todd: ellison barber, can you make very blake carter, partnering pollster -- let's focus on what the president needs to do in phoenix. we just heard that jeff flake situation. obviously he's going for kelly ward in the primary. you need to focus on charlottesville and heal the nation even further. >> when you are in crisis, you can't just communicate once or twice. you have to communicate the same message over and over again. our president knows this. he's done it with make america great again. it probably hasn't even begun to get traction. when you look at boston, look at this country right n...

Understand that difference. the president did have unreal t unrealistic expectations, think, i am the president, i want it done. when i was a ceo, i wanted it done with no board, et cetera. >> didn't he need mitch mcconnell on taxes, tax reform, mr. us the debt ceiling, they've got a whole agenda, 12 legislative days, obviously, they can extend that. they have a lot of work to do. >> >> a lot of work to do. mitch mcconnell's view, instead of sending out tweets, why don't you send us legislation? instead of making noise around what we haven't done, let's focus on what you need to do. have you d...

Newspaper of th none of them have been answered, so of course we have to go public with it. >> turning to what the president himself knew, even if you were to find out there was wrongdoing on behalf of anybody in that room, nobody in that room was donald trump himself who is the president of the united states. he was asked by routers tonight if he knew. he responded, no. that i didn't know until a couple of days ago when i heard about this. and his personal attorney came on cnn and denied it as well. here he is. >> let's focus on what the president was aware of. nothing. >> do you believe them...