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President? >> it'll go to senate and be very different if we actually wound up with removal of a president, the ultimate dramatic conclusion i think the act of impeaching and saying, we have put this down in history books, many voters who say, look, issues like health care, issues like the economy are top for me, i don't understand why congress is spending so much effort on this, i wish we could get back to the things that matter to me, i think that's the big risk for democrats. chris: chuck, let's play this out and conventional wisdom for what it's worth. we assume, first of all, any doubt in...

Whether he could back them into the corruption, but the only to decide this is the truth. >> and congressman schiff appeared to lay the groundwork for the articles of impeachment, and let's play what he said on that. >> there is a sense of urgency when you have a president who is threatening the integrity of the elections that we need to act now if we are going to act and we can't allow this obstruction to succeed. the case of the ukraine misconduct is iron clad, but so is the case of the president's obstruction of congress. >> so a couple of articles potentially, the obstruction and the abuse...

Prosecutor, their dealings with the prosecutor and with the former president of ukraine. so it remains to be seen but what we do know from the reporting is the idea that joe biden was engaged himself in some kind of quid pro quo, the unsubstantiated allegation the going to appear when the impeachment moves to the senate. that is how the republicans are planning to defend the president essentially by -- by bringing in witnesses that can talk about this alleged, you know, extortion by the vice president that they have accused him of and by that -- by doing that kind of deflect attention away fro...

That's a reflection of what we heard in the testimony. it's more of a reflection of the fact that republicans have been through a lot of these scandals with the president before. and they're not confident that this is going to be the one that is going to change the president's level of support among either his base or among enough independents that it will make a difference for him. >> let's play what will herd said, what abby said there. it raises the key question about all of this now. play that. >> inappropriate, misguided foreign policy. and it's not how the executive, current or in the fu...

>> let's play devin nunes and adam schiff, the way they closed out the inquiries. >> what you've seen in this room over the past two weeks is a show trial, exploiting the intelligence committee as a venue for impeachment has been one of the grossest processes. >> if my view there's nothing more dangerous than an an unethical president who believes they're above the law. i would just say to people here at home and around the world, in the words of my great colleague, we are better than that. >> so? >> i mean, adam schiff, for him, that is incredibly worked up. he was saying that contemporaneous...