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>> i think ultimately this will go to the -- ultimately it will go to the supreme court. but the political question is the optics of the president of the united states tying the courts up for the next year or two to cope himself from going in and telling the truth to the prosecutor are very bad political optics. >> in the meantime we could see congress change hands. and that would be -- when you talk to democrats most are not talking about impeachment because they know that the voters don't want to hear about that. and don't really -- they don't have to go through it they don't want to go thro...

The united states tying the courts up for the next year or two to cope himself from going in and telling the truth to the prosecutor are very bad political optics. >> in the meantime we could see congress change hands. and that would be -- when you talk to democrats most are not talking about impeachment because they know that the voters don't want to hear about that. and don't really -- they don't have to go through it they don't want to go through it. that said if let's say mueller hands the recommendations down to congress. that's not impossible. >> go ahead, ann. >> the other thing to poin...

Justice and he can complete his term. there are serious allegations that that occurred and in america and supreme court and american people believe no one is above the law. the president has gotten himself into this fix that is very serious. >> but is there a difference between facing obstruction of justice by congress and criminal charge? >> so there is a difference. if you face a criminal charge of obstruction of justice there are five or six different statutes. let's say mueller made a decision to charge president trump with obstruction he would have to prove all of the elements of one of t...