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That means he knows there are things that are deeply damaging to him. it cobble a thread that somebody in the judicial will community, the congressional judiciary follows that thread and it leads the an ugly place. we saw the whole southern district in new york situation. this is a president pits fair to say is deeply meyered in scandal. this weekend, i think he probably enjoyed his golf game for the first time in a long time. it is the first time that asterisk has been erased by his name that he is a president under serious investigation about collusion. >> let's say mueller's report exonerat...

They are making a lot about some things that necessarily true. you saw chief justice roberts come out and say we're independent and i think that is a signal that for some reason trump's world view is that everybody is on a side or is part of a team or they are going to help me out in some way. that's not necessarily the case. that was the issue with obamacare and chief justice roberts. he said no this is what my opinion is. what we could have in all of this, let's say mueller does go for a subpoena. it goes to the supreme court. they will go with the rule of law. this is where the president ma...

To mueller, i'm dead set on him finishing his job. when it comes to this president, i'm going to help in every turn. "the new york times" op-ed piece will mean nothing over time. bob woodward's book is a great read, i'm sure. i haven't read it yet. there's drama around every event. but none of this will matter if the president can produce for the people of the country. and time will tell. >> well, let's say mueller does bring, what you would agree to be credible evidence of conspiracy with the russians or obstruction of justice. would you at that point consider it appropriate for the house of ...

I mean these guys give mobsters -- they make mobsters look good frankly. i mean these guys are operating their criminal enterprise, and they're c-class mobsters. >> why is it illegal to buy this stuff? >> well, we don't know the circumstances yet about how the money flowed, what accounts were set up, what businesses were set up relating to purchasing this information. i find it very hard to believe that the first time that donald trump and michael cohen came up with the idea to establish a company and to route this money in the way that they did was in connection with the stormy daniels paymen...

But do you think that case makes any sense, that it's an illegal probe? >> no, it's not an illegal probe. i mean this is more of the fallacy, the make-believe universe that the president likes to craft and likes to believe that he operates in. well, this is not going to last forever. when the facts and the evidence are laid bare for the american people, they're going to ultimately decide whether you're on the right, the left, or the center, what happens to donald trump. and it's going to be very difficult to argue with the facts and the evidence. these claims of the president of fake news and ...