i mean these guys give mobsters -- they make mobsters look good frankly. i mean these guys are operating their criminal enterprise, and they're c-class mobsters. >> why is it illegal to buy this stuff? >> well, we don't know the circumstances yet about how the money flowed, what accounts were set up, what businesses were set up relating to purchasing this information. i find it very hard to believe that the first time that donald trump and michael cohen came up with the idea to establish a company and to route this money in the way that they did was in connection with the stormy daniels payment. i just don't believe it. i think that that was probably one in many instances of them engaging in similar conduct. >> so then you get the larger implication of, well, could this mean anything to other investigations on the federal level or to mueller's probe? the president said today to bloomberg, he doesn't care about the mueller probe because it's illegal. do you think he has any standing there, not in the legal sense,