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Important issue to the future of our country. who are we going to allow in as a citizen, what will they be eligible for if we legalize these illegal immigrants, can they bring in family members? can they become a citizen? will they be eligible for all sorts of government programs? fun of those issues have been resolved yet. it's important we get this right rather than rush into a decision. >> why does immigration have to be taxed to this? >> good question. >> let me ask you that, matt. >> well -- i think, again, it's -- democrats are pushing that. i think that it is their leverage point to get...

Inconvenience is probably understating it. that is obviously a concern. that said, the defense department, in particular, has used, for example, the issue of contractors, et cetera, as sort of a leverage point or a discussion point. let me explain the messaging from mulvaney on the things that are open. they're trying to say and make the point they've been making the last two days, comparing it to the 2013 shutdown. under president obama, when the 2013 shut down happened, they say the obama administration was trying to weaponize the shutdown by, for example, putting up signs, barricades around...

Put forward wasn't just about daca. it was about ten million folks that would one way or another stay in this country indefinitely. if their concern was about daca, they should have brought a compromise bill to the president that just dealt with daca. they didn't. they were overreaching, and they're getting -- they're getting their hand slapped as a result of this. so, you make up the good point, every democrat that's voting no tonight is voting against a bill that they support. there's nothing in this bill the democrats oppose. so, you say, well, why don't you just take what everybody agrees ...

Get what i suggest to be this right solution is a clean bill on the budget. and then move on to daca. because the daca deadline is not until march. that's my hope. but having said that there is no definitive solution to the project. >> why wouldn't democrats feel they can use this as leverage? they saw what happened in december and before them. you have to imagine chuck schumer is looking at this saying this is the last chance. republicans and democrats have to come together to keep the government open. so this seems like a natural leverage point for demes. >> i think it's poor strategy for re...

Comments last week influence their position this week. do they feel more emboldened? do they feel like they can take a harder line, that they don't have to look for room to compromise, especially now that the president has rejected a compromise bill. >> and you see that pressure. i want to put this on the table as we continue, to that point, "the washington post" editorial board, they understand this pressure. now that the democratic base is saying, don't negotiate with the racist. that's what they call the president. "the washington post" says, the wall is a dumb idea, but consider how rare i...