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and i have a programming note that it is just for you. it's one of your favorites -- of kurt anderson is going to be joining us this hour. and just for you, i saved him for last. so, you can get home and turn on the tv, and -- >> and still make it! >> there he will be and i'm going to offer him a theory to take as you will. and that is, that if you think that rudy giuliani has changed from some previous good version of rudy giuliani, you have not been paying attention -- >> you have not! >> i read some old spy martin magazine in kurt andersen's honor about rudy giuliani in 1990. and ...

joining us this hour. and just for you, i saved him for last. so, you can get home and turn on the tv, and -- >> and still make it! >> there he will be and i'm going to offer him a theory to take as you will. and that is, that if you think that rudy giuliani has changed from some previous good version of rudy giuliani, you have not been paying attention -- >> you have not! >> i read some old spy martin magazine in kurt andersen's honor about rudy giuliani in 1990. and he's the same dude at his he was then. i can't wait for your conversation with him. >> we are going to be showing pic...

Disinformation machine that was gearing up to criticize this 30 -year-old young woman who set her life aside, set it on hold for eight months, to do her civic duty. and then she came out and spoke the way she was entitled to speak. and you could see the trump machine getting ready to try to lay into her. i think judge mcburney went a long way in tamping that down. and it goes to show that secrecy should not always be the default of government and sometimes you have to step up and you have to be transparent. and everybody is the better for it. >> congressman swalwell, mike pence is now claiming...