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Continues to raise this question. but that's the difficulty of kevin mccarthy becoming the leader, if the republicans take the house. because there is a lot of crazy. there is a lot of people who want to impeach joe biden. there is a lot of people who want to do all sorts of things that don't feel like governing. and once again, in the third district in washington state, there is a message that says, we'd like a little bit of normal. >> right. and given mccarthy, let's say that they do get joining teen seeds, and the republicans are the majority. and given mccarthy actually comes the speaker o...

There's no formula to this, is there. >> well, the formula is going out and meeting voters one on one. there's no short cut. it's kind of like governing, joe. there's no short cut to that. you can't make a speech and hope that the members of congress come along. you have to find out what it is they want. governing is hard work. you know that. i think a lot of people think this is about making speeches and having some great lines. it's really not so much about can you make a speech but can you make a decision and what leadership looks like is very different than what campaigning looks like. i d...