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Other side we'll talk about it. how much hope do you have at least in the first three months of 2022 that build back better can be negotiated and passed and become law? >> when i leave this interview, i'll go to the interweb and look for the phone number to the ghost of christmas past, present and future or the email address to go see about scrooge on christmas eve -- sorry, not scrooge, senator mansion. >> i know what you're talking about. >> julie, real fast, the likelihood build back better getting a vote next year either in whole or in pieces. likely? >> yeah, look, it depends on who you t...

And that's what most of the people -- the people aren't lazy in this country. they just need a little bit of help. >> then is the next move to make this an urgent stand-alone bill? as i said, build back better is kind of in limbo here. and we both know, for whatever reason, joe biden's poll numbers are dropping. and one of those reasons is because of inflation. do you need to take this bill on, on its own, to not just help the country, but also to help biden? >> look, i would much rather pass build back better. that's what we should be doing. we've had months and months and months to negotiate...