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And that's what most of the people -- the people aren't lazy in this country. they just need a little bit of help. >> then is the next move to make this an urgent stand-alone bill? as i said, build back better is kind of in limbo here. and we both know, for whatever reason, joe biden's poll numbers are dropping. and one of those reasons is because of inflation. do you need to take this bill on, on its own, to not just help the country, but also to help biden? >> look, i would much rather pass build back better. that's what we should be doing. we've had months and months and months to negotiate...

How our democrats and republicans going to negotiate this thorny issue to remember what they're trying, who they're trying to negotiate with. you have trump's comments today. you have kelly saying that dreamers are -- dreamers aren't lazy. trump is lazy. we'll do a shutdown? he hasn't bothered to learn what happens when that happens or why one might go ahead and do that. i think we're starting to see the first fraying of republicans who are chafing at this idea because they have to stand for midterms in november. barbara comstock stood up today to the president's face, republican from virginia...

You're the democrats? >> there's not much you can do. it's important as we talk about how our democrats and republicans going to negotiate this thorny issue to remember what they're trying, who they're trying to negotiate with. you have trump's comments today. you have kelly saying that dreamers are -- dreamers aren't lazy. trump is lazy. we'll do a shutdown? he hasn't bothered to learn what happens when that happens or why one might go ahead and do that. i think we're starting to see the first fraying of republicans who are chafing at this idea because they have to stand for midterms in novem...

No habits of working and have nobody around them who works. >> people on food stamps aren't lazy or lulled into dependency. just this week facebook purchased the company whatsapp. and the man behind that company lived on food stamps when he was growing up. the experience shaped him so much so that he signed the paperwork for the facebook deal on the door of his old welfare office. need another example? here is one. speed skater emily scott competed in the olympics this week. she once was on food stamps. is she lazy? of course not. what's actually lazy is the thinking of these right wingers who...