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Dollars of cash sitting there that don't want the p.r. nightmare, it's a little bit more about the hold-up game and the shakedown game than it is about whether apple did anything right or wrong. >> completely agree. the people that we're talking about that bring the cases, they're plaintiffs, class action lawyers. different than those on the defense side that represent the companies. the plaintiffs class action lawyers, you're right. they bring these claims. they know the companies will want to settle. they're going to make money whether they settle or whether it goes to trial, which is unlike...

Trying to get rid of nuisance lawsuits, and the answer to it david, is, to do what the so-called english system and what is all around the world, that is when you file a suit and lose, you pay the other side's fees. if you get a ridiculous lawsuit, you shouldn't have to lose money defending it. >> bruce, why don't we have loser pays here in america? it's worked fine -- they have -- by the way, about 1/10 the number of malpractice lawsuits over there, because of the loser pay rules. >> well, i don't know. certainly there's a lot of goofy lawsuits out there, but whether they actually see the lig...