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Years, when it rains it pours, obviously when you have an official finding, official investigations, the findings are damning. but it really shows, if you are going to come to the king you best not miss, and if you are going to do it, you better do together. >> absolutely. that's definitely what is going on here. i think everyone has decided that it was time. and if you think, look, there is an aggregate of things about cuomo that i think folks have been waiting instituting about, four years. and there's so many disparate constituencies that are looking for an opportunity, and so i think every...

Up and then it's the presidential election. it starts to get to a worn path. >> one thing jonathan martin, my colleague, and i had reported on, there was a lack of plank about -- planning r. they were just beginning this at this point. they would say we've devoted a lot of our political resources to the policy to work the hill. you have to be able to work both tracks in any white house, but especially in this climate. and they're going into a year where all the forces appear to be against them with the exception of the economy. but still, the midterms tend to be when the party that's in power ...

Handle that. he's been through three presidential elections. two as vice president. he's been raked over the coals for other things, controversies with the plagiarism and different things. to maggies point, that is small potatoes compared to things we've seen and compared to the flaws of our current president. biden, i think he'd have a shot. where's sumatra? good question. this is win. and that's win's goat, adi. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. making the coffee erupt with flavor. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. that er...

Operation it seems. the idea of him going out and doing rallies. >> absolutely. if you think of the most successful chief of staff, that person has a lot of political moxie, james baker who ran two campaigns against reagan and the day after reagan was elected he asked jim breaker to be chief of staff. it was really important that he had baker there. where everything is integrated, politics, policy, on the hill that's in the chief of staff's office. same with john podesta who was a good chief of staff for bill clinton. ran at the hillary campaign as chairman. i think maggie makes a good point. ...

Segment of the population in alabama to help reject that kind of history and that divisive rhetoric, i think that's a good thing. >> maggie haber man from the "times" is back. and josh green. you weren't there last night with us. what did you see in the victory of doug jones? how do you interpret it? >> i think somebody made this point to me on twitter and it was a fair one. i was talking about turnout among african-americans pivotal. it was pivotal. write-in was a factor and a lot of people staying home was a factor. votes in key county for jones being above where they needed to in terms of t...