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Them. they are not the appropriate people to be running these two critical agencies in the united states. >> i want to play one specific exchange from nick mulvaney's hearing today. one of your colleagues, senator mark lee, forced him to admit president obama had a larger inauguration crowd than president trump. this happened today in the hearing. let me play the exchange for you. >> i have behind me two pictures that were taken at about the same time of day in 2009 and 2017. which crowd is larger, the 2009 crowd or the 2017 crowd? >> senator, if you allow me to give disclaimer i'm not sure ho...

And 2017, which is larger the 2009 crowd or 2017. >> senator, it does appear that the crowd on the left hand side is bigger than the crowd on the right hand side. >> the president disagreed, said it's a lie, we caught them, we caught them in a beauty, referring to the press reporting, says looks like a million, million and a half people, the reason i'm raising this is because budget often contained buried deceptions. you and i talked about in my office about the magic asterisks, this is an example on where the president's team on something very simple and straight forward wants to embrace a fa...

Crowd or the 2017 crowd? >> senator, if you allow me to give a disclaimer how this ties to omb, i'll answer your question. it appears the crowd on the left-hand side is bigger than the crowd on the right-hand side. >> thank you. the reason i'm raising this is because budget often contain buried deceptions. you around i talked in my office about the magic asterisks. this is an example of where the president's team on something very simple and straightforward wants to embrace a fantasy rather than a reality. >> stuart: that was democrat senator jeff merkley trying to put president trump's pick o...

>> the president of the center on budget and policy priorities and this program's most trusted budget analyst issued a report tonight on the ryan budget saying in critical ways the budget is exceedingly vague and as a result its claim to reach balance in ten years is hard to take seriously. the budget's fiscal claims rest on massive magic asterisks. joining me, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and priorities and robert reich, professor at the university of california berkley. joy reed, when he is in an interview with larry kudlow, who used to be the biggest paul ryan wors...

And not the combination we will get from the ryan budget tomorrow. >> i doubt it is. one of the things i thought was striking in that interview he did with wallace, was when it came to obama care, he said for at least the coverage side of it what he wanted to do is get it out of there. he thought the right policy is not have it there and as such that policy is roo intersectefl budget. when asked about the fiscal tax increases he said he didn't want to revisit that. that is settled law. it seems to be an admission the awful things republicans have been saying will happen if we raise any taxes i...