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Empire. so it may be that manafort had some money that he thought was safe that his family could live on and by stating in detail where that money was, it could have caused problems for his family. we're speculating here, but this is so unusual for somebody to make a deal with a federal prosecutor and then walk away from the deal at the risk of spending the rest of his life in prison. it's got to be a really big, important fact that manafort is hiding. >> it's remarkable. paul, thank you very much. joining us now to talk more about this, democratic congressman, thank you for being here. stunni...

Much information that we don't know about that they have been able to work through to try and see where he's lying, where he's telling the truth. it is really a stunning turn in this entire investigation now. >> a lot of lying going around. thanks very much. let's bring in our legal analyst. he raises an interesting point there that if the counsel is willing to jetison manafort here, they know from other sources things that went on that he's not being truthful about. what does that tell you about how far mueller has gotten along in this investigation. >> that's a fascinating question. what thi...

Is mr. manafort has two choices. he can renig or go to jail for a longer time. >> "politico" makes an interesting point this morning about whether a government shutdown could sideline mueller and his team. of the seven appropriations bills that need to get passed, is the commerce justice science bill which has some funding for mueller's probe of the white house. if there is a shut down, it will be up to president donald trump whether to make mueller essential already keep him sidelined until congress finds a funding solution. that's fascinating. are you concerned about that? >> first of all, i...

They have likely now lost their star witness? and if so, is this good news for the president? >> i don't think it is a major problem for the mueller team. i say that because, remember, they had already convicted mueller in virginia on substantial accounts. manafort, i'm sorry, on substantial accounts. he was probably facing conviction on d.c. on other counts as well. through the years, manafort's information was supposedly only relevant to older contacts with foreign agents, not stuff that happened during the trump campaign. so i don't think that he's a fundamental important witness for the mu...

Wrapped up by. now, while giuliani would not go into the details of the counter offer. he did tell fox news it's not a refusal, but at the same time, it's not a completely unreasonable position i can see a way he told me in which they, mueller, may agree with it giuliani says the chances of mueller accepting the offer depend on two things. how much they want an interview with the president and b, the degree to which they are willing to say this may be our last chance to get the sitdown with the president. harvard law professor alan dershowitz was on fox news earlier today in "america's newsroo...