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Chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta and dr. Besser. We have had and these discussions with a doctor on the front lines in houston who said that the patients are coming in ten times sicker than he was seeing. With julia kiam, whose job it is to speak to local and city governments, state governments and give them her assessment. She is writing off 2020. The pandemic numbers she says she is seeing indicates to her that we are not winning at this point. Is that a Fair Assessment . Yeah. I mean, i think, you know, sadly that is true. I think there was always concern that there was going to be, you know, initially there was going to the second wave in the fall. That the virus as the weather started to cool, as people were starting to go inside more and then you compound that on top of flu season, that there was going to be the second wave. The problem is as, you know, a lot of people can see when you look at those trends you look at the map is that there was never a lull and it doesnt l

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