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Talked about before, the last segment, talked about the man, not the president of the united states, as he's talked to white house staff, he's said maybe you don't need to lawyer up at this time. that runs contrary to any white collar prosecutor would tell you that you want to do at this point in time. it reaches from the obstruction of justice case to reaching back to the campaign and having erngo with the russia probe. this staff are going to need lawyers, so for president trump's lawyer saying don't lawyer up at this time, it speaks contrary to what others are saying at this time. >> lookin...

It means that in exactly two years time, trump has gone from a candidate on an escalator to president of the united states, in the white house, more appropriately camp david, and we should add under investigation. since we have already blown up their friday night, our panel is back. a new report tonight headlined, escalating investigation put trump and his staff at legal odds. and what a great place to start the conversation. explain the headline and explain how they may be at cross purposes or not, at least on the same page. >> sure. well donald trump's personal lawyer mark casowitz which you...

He's been sort of talking along with way about this, and said you'll have to address future questions about this to my counsel. when the president's lawyer has a lawyer, that's pretty serious. donald trump has his own ties to russia, and is certainly a person who's going to figure in this going forward, brian. >> and paul, when mr. casowitz was rumored this past week to have free roam of the west wing, to approach white house aides, remember, he's the president's personal lawyer, not white house counsel. what's the problem in your eyes with the president's personal lawyer walking around the we...

Conversations are part and parcel of the russian collusion investigation, and that takes precedence. >> stay with me. gloria borger, and let me bring you in this and we can comment on the bizarre nature of the briefing here in a second, but to hear sean spicer refer any question on, you know, the next week's testimony with mr. comey and the investigation, and referring to outside counsel, and this the beginning of the new norm? >> yes. i think it is. and mark casowitz is someone who has long remitted donald trump, and he is going to have a supervisory role, and other lawyers hired, and he is g...

Immunity. he mentioned to me that this was something that was on the table before, they had asked for it, and that might be something they could look at. he called it a last resort but didn't close the door on it entirely. that puts a little daylight between the senate side and the house side on this, and that would have serious repercussions, potentially, for any other investigations that are ongoing. >> nbc's kasie hunt on capitol hill and peter alexander at the white house. guys, thank you very much. a special fbi agent and fellow with george washington university. nick ackerman is a form...