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Advantage from five currently to 12. it is rather big. now, privately a lot of republicans are saying, look, this is probably a partisan gerrymander. if you look in the tampa bay region, what happened to crist's seat, they're polling and stuffing them into a democratic seat in tampa. the florida supreme court ruled it is part of a gerrymander but desantis is going through with it. the legislature is throwing up their hands, look, if he wants to pass these maps, he will be hauled into court, maybe he will be deposed but it is his problem, not theirs. >> nbc's mark caputo, thank you for your rep...

Probable cause was met in that case? >> i grant you, mark, that the garner case is far more controversial in terms of the evidence and why there was no indictment than ferguson. that's a no-brainer. but the racial component has yet to be established. i am wanting you to establish it for me. all i hear so far is past examples, rodney king, that's a different case. it was a long time ago. i'm citing other examples. >> i've cited five cases to you. >> i've cited three to you. >> okay. so is this a game of numbers? >> you tell me. my audience wants to hear the evidence. they're wondering why we're...

State grand juries have forfeited their right and their ability to bring about justice in the case of police misconduct cases. >> the last person you heard right there joins us now, mark moreal, ceo of the national urban league, the nation's largest civil rights organization founded in 1910. good to see you, mark. thank you for being here. >> thank you. great. >> let's start with this, what is the evidence that what happened to eric garner and what happened to michael brown has anything to do with race? >> well, it's surprising to me that in both of these instances, prosecutor mccullough and s...

Probable cause was met in that case? >> i grant you, mark, that the garner case is far more controversial in terms of the evidence and why there was no indictment than ferguson. that's a no-brainer. but the racial component has yet to be established. i am wanting you to establish it for me. all i hear so far is past examples, rodney king, that's a different case. it was a long time ago. i'm citing other examples. >> i've cited five cases to you. >> i've cited three to you. >> okay. so is this a game of numbers? >> you tell me. my audience wants to hear the evidence. they're wondering why we're...

Stay out of trouble, now. everybody, please have a seat have a seat have a seat. i -- [ applause ] >> a couple of people i want to acknowledge, obviously, first of all, i want to acknowledge your outstanding president and ceo who has shown such extraordinary leadership for so many years, mark moreal. just like we have an outstanding former mayor of new orleans, we have also got the outstanding current mayor of new orleans, mitch land rue isrieu is in the house. fine young congressman from this area cedric richmond is here. and one of the best mayors in