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and what if sources -- dangerous drug gang. >> i object. >> those were plausible scenarios they were throwing out to you and that you can think up many equally plausible scenarios. but you have to decide the evidence based on the facts that the state puts before you. not theories, not inferences, not speculation, but cold-hard facts. mr. waters also said that alex, the master liar, accused shelly smith, blanca and perhaps another witness of lying. he never did such a thing. he never accused anybody of lying from this witness stand. now, i've been around long enough to know, long enough to know that witnesses can
that's why he lied. when confronted with new evidence that he denied, he backtracks, he pivots and tells a new story from that stand and looks you in the eye. and then when new evidence comes up on cross, he backtracks and pivots and tells another new lie. i'm sure if he could get up there -- let me rephrase that again. he said so many witnesses are lying on him. they're all lying on him. the one thing we know is that he lied to them. mark is lying, shelly is lying, blanca is lying. everybody is lying on the master liar.
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that. how is there no pushback in the center of the policy debate? is it that surprising to you? you debunk these lies. you are usually the lone voice. >> yeah, it is unsurprising to me. this is who donald trump has been his entire political -- his entire -- his entire public life. he was a lying real estate developer, lying playboy celebrity and lying candidate and now a lying president and it's worked for him to some extent. the thing i tell people who despair about this is that he -- there is little evidence that he's a master liar during his presidency. they just got walloped in the midterms. a 60% disapproval rating today in a gallup poll. much of the public, not that hard core base but much of the public is seeing through a lot of this and the more extreme he gets when he says democrats want to get rid of the borders, the sillier he sounds to the majority. >> and the size of the base is something that drives me berserk.