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about a0 million americans have already cast their ballots. now on bbc news, political thinking with nick robinson. hello and welcome to political thinking, a conversation with rather than an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking about what shapes theirs. in a new cabinet dominated by public schoolboys and oxbridge graduates, the new education secretary stands out. gillian keegan�*s old school, a comprehensive in knowsley called st augustine's, was nicknamed st disgusting before it was shut down a couple of years after she left. like most kids at her school, gi...

was nicknamed st disgusting before it was shut down a couple of years after she left. like most kids at her school, gillian left at the age of 16 and went to be an apprentice at a car factory. now, that was a springboard, as we'll hear, for a very successful business career. she went on to become the commercial director at mastercard, chief marketing officer at a big travel firm called travelport. her boss, now, rishi sunak, says a good education is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet when it comes to making people's lives better. gillian keegan, welcome to political thinkin...

and also donald trump all take their campaigning to pennsylvania. and thousands gather in seoul to remember the halloween crush victims — many are demanding the president resign. you are watching bbc news. now, politicalthinking with nick robinson. hello and welcome to political thinking, a conversation with rather than an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking about what shapes theirs. in a new cabinet dominated by public schoolboys and oxbridge graduates, the new education secretary stands out. gillian keegan�*s old school, a comprehensive in knowsley called...

Your apprenticeship? yes. as i understand it, you're buying car parts. well, it was actually a rotation, what would be called now a rotational degree level apprenticeship. so for three years, you went round every single bit of the car factory, whether it was toolmaking, whether it's production, whether it's expediting, whether it was design, accounts, all of the different parts, distribution, advertising. so you went round all of it. it was the most brilliant apprenticeship because by the time you'd gone through those three years, you're pretty much the only few people who understood how the w...

Working in the car factory. i started working in the car factory at 16. as you know, the legal age for drinking is 18. so i'd already started working in the car factory. in fact, i probably wouldn't have afforded to be able to go if i hadn't. and is that where the politics began to affect your apprenticeship? yes. as i understand it, you're buying car parts. well, it was actually a rotation, what would be called now a rotational degree level apprenticeship. so for three years, you went round every single bit of the car factory, whether it was toolmaking, whether it's production, whether it's e...