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Something -- >> steel wall. it's going to be steel. it doesn't have to be concrete. >> but to call it a memory trick for an undisciplined candidate. >> so what's interesting, i had not heard that part, but i have to tell you, i have heard many anecdotes where staff would have to do things like this in order to get president trump to either stay on message or, in many cases, don, to try to steer him away from a particular message because they knew if he went out publicly and said something, it would be much more damaging than what he actually came out and said. i've heard this numerous times fr...

Are in really dire straits financially. >> good point. >> because he was not able to fulfill that promise, which he said over and over. this was not some off the cuff thing. this was something that he said and now it's been turned into this thing where, oh, well, nancy pelosi needs to get together with him and make this deal. it's like that was never your promise, ever. >> yeah. mark, i want to read this. this is from "the new york times," okay? it says, president trump's promise to build a wall on the southwestern border was a memory trick for an undisciplined candidate. as mr. trump began ex...

You have representatives to call, call them, call your local news station, tell them, you know, make your politicians in washington aware of the pain that you are in because otherwise i really don't see how anyone here in washington is motivated to solve it. >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. still ahead, we will confront one of the biggest lies of the trump campaign, that the u.s. is in crisis over the number of people crossing the border illegally. plus new reporting describes how the president's fixation with the wall actually started. it was just a memory trick invented by staffers to...

His advisers landed on the idea of a border wall to make sure trump would remember to talk about getting tough on immigration. as the times describes it, what has become a chief sticking point in the government shut down started as a memory trick for an undisciplined candidate. one of trump's early political advisers recalled talking with roger stone about the idea, how do we get him to continue to talk about immigration. he told stone we're going to get him to talk about how he's going to build a wall. let's talk 2020. former vice president joe biden reportedly in the final stages of decidi...

Receiving end will make adjustment. they always do. and they'll make adjustments. people understand exactly what's going on. but many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck, many of those people agree 100% with what i'm doing. we're trying to do everything possible to get money to our incredible people, but many of those incredible people agree with me, and they say make sure you win this battle. this is a very important battle to win. >> so despite the president's claims, a number of recent polls actually show that the majority of americans don't support his border wall or includi...