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Know, the small social reforms that we'd seen that the afghans had gained over these 20 years, those aree all going toe rolled back very quickly by the taliban. and they've been buying their time. i remember a year and a half ago i was in dohar and i interviewed the taliban's political director and he was essentially playing lip service. we'll have an all inclusive government there, women's rights will continue to be enhanced. it wasn't going to be like the dark days in the early '90s and none of that was true. we can see that is all going to reverse back to some of the worst periods in histor...

It's been really sad to watch. >> and so much faster than anyone -- >> 18 months before you see this kind of b disintegration but it gone much, much faster. much faster than president biden was hoping to get some space between his decision to withdraw american troops and this saigon moment that we're seeing now. helicopters evacuating. he's got none. as you can see, this is happening even before the, deadline that president biden putad in place for withdrawing l american troops. there's a direct, it feels like there is a direct causal, cause and effect line being drawn right now. >> helene, li...

0 latest on the situation. thank you. the fall of kabul appears to be imminent is the headline. >> we're sure courtney will be with us throughout the day, as well as our steam of correspondents to follow the latest. thanks for watching msnbc reports, "velshi" starts right now. i'm ali velshi, we're departing from our normal format for the news out of afghanistan where the taliban is closing in on kabul. the biggest city in the country. it does appear to be surrounded. this map is the latest we have, but it is not fully updated because this shows mazar-i-sharif under government control and it...