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That was said by the president of the united states in the white house. >> let's get to this, that's why this whole talking point that this is about economics and not race is false. if you look at the research this is not about economics it's about flat out racism. >> if he says i want more norwegians what's that about. >> and if he says i want more asian americans that's about. >> have you never heard before, it's an insult to asian americans to suggest that they are somehow the only race acceptable to come in but others are not. that suggests that asian americans are on a pedestal and they d...

On mer it. should not be a color-blind test. >> what carrie is trying to do is keep it often policy because that's what we all want to do. >> that's not what the president did. >> that's what she's trying to do. don't think she is trying to excuse his bad behavior. >> i agree. >> i don't think we can have that policy argument in the face of the kind of ugliness you see from the president of the united states. because it isn't honest about what he said and why he said it. so it's hard. and is the problem he then under mines his ability to be effective on a policy front by speaking this way. >> ...

>> let her finish. >> can i please continue. so this really has to do more with the broader, if you dig deeper here, to the question of is the immigration policy based on skills, based on merit or is it based on natural disasters, based on war. studies show immigrants kept closer to their origin it's better for the immigrant and also better -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> we can debate all that but -- carrie, carrie, carrie -- that's not what the president said. the president said why do we have to take these people i'm paraphrasing, from shithole countries. he didn't say any of the things you ...

There are people that are going to have big-time jobs that never earned it by mer it. it's loyalty. it's how politics work. conservatives are breathing a sigh of relief they didn't en masse unversely turn up to donald trump. now you have mike pence on the ideas. >> he's the establishment -- >> movement conservative. he's a fiscal conservative and there running that transition. if conservatives had said we don't like trump, we are not going to be a part of it, they wouldn't have mike pence. >> he never drained the swamp, he's trying to make it better. >> thanks so much. we are going to talk mor...

So i think what's going to be very telling fred, watch tomorrow. when rudy giuliani goes with jake tapper, and that show is going to be fascinating. are we going to see the short tempered, or are we going to see a brand new guy? that impacts what donald trump will do. >> okay, so if it is not rudy giuliani who we're nominating, then, richard, an attorney general, is it realistic to think that one could pursue prosecuting hillary clinton, even though the fbi comey has weighed in? >> fred, your earlier question -- >> he would still, conceivably have that job, comey. >> yes. your question, can pr...