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Who apparently were radicalized years ago, but despite all the metadata collection, they missed it. this is government incompetence, and further, it would not help us figure out who's trying to harm us here at home, and it isn't a plan to destroy isis overseas. so it won't work. i have a plan to help us here at home identify these people, which involves, among other things, making sure that we re-examine all these visa programs, making sure that our investigators have access to every piece of data they need. which involves engaging the private sector, because the patriot act was written in 200...

Data of all the french. yet, they still weren't able to see this coming. >> how do you answer senator paul? >> well first, there was an error here in this country two to three years ago where because of the disclosures of a traitor like edward snowden and other things in the media, misrepresentations by elected officials, americans came to believe they were being spy pd on by the government. if someone in our government is unlawfully accessing the private information of americans, they should be fired and prosecuted. the bottom line is presidential directors and this usa patriot act that pass ...

Immediate aftermath in september 11 brought two of the most major terrorism cases this country has ever known. what we did this summer was wrong. i said it was wrong at the time. it's being proven to be wrong. when we cut back on the nsa's meta data collection program and has been destroying the morale of our intelligence officers. we need to rebuild the program and the morale of our intelligence. we need to support law enforcement which this administration hasn't been doing and the fbi director himself said there's a chillway through law enforcement. we need to do all of those things first an...

Section 215, which is the verse sham part of the law that deals with the metadata collection has created a lot of problems. and we've been willing to -- many of us that are concerned about civil liberties as well as security, want to do both. >> do you stand with rand paul are you in this rand paul's camp or are you guys -- >> i think that's too -- >> too what? >> i think that letting it expire, just expire the whole law itself is a problem. but i do believe that there are parts of it and the second circuit court basically said that, just a couple of weeks ago thargs the , that the metadata co...

Congress doesn't act, it could have grave consequences for the country. joining me former deputy director of training for the nsa. nice to see you. tell me what will happen when the clock strikes 3:59 today and nsa starts the process of shutting down the data collection program. >> what is going to happen is a large portion of the activities that were under section 215 of the patriot act stops. what does that mean? it means that the meta data collection process the idea of getting the phone numbers, the call duration all of those things will cease based on the section 215 rules. so that means ...