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You refuse to call this torture. in other words, you don't think this was necessarily torture. >> no, i don't think. i think it was not, sir. these people knew we were americans, ultimately torture to be effective has to have a certain amount of -- the torturer or the tortury, rather, has to be confident he's going to be killed. he knew he wasn't going to be killed. he was just going to be uncomfortable. more than that, though, all of these operations, michael, were proved by multiple layers of attorneys. department of justice, national security council, cia. everywhere. you know, if there's a...

Michael, thanks so much for being here. you refuse to call this torture. am i right? # in other words, you don't think this was necessarily torture. >> no, i don't think. i think it was not, sir. these people knew we were americans, ultimately torture to be effective has to have a certain amount of -- the torturer or the torturee, rather, has to be confident he's going to be killed. he knew he wasn't going to be killed. he was just going to be uncomfortable. more than that, though, all of these operations, michael, were proved by multiple layers of attorneys. department of justice, national se...

It seems to me much of the criticism leveled against the enhanced interrogation techniques could be made exponentially about some of the casualties that result from use of the drone campaign. where do you think this debate is going next? >> oh, i think the drone will stop also. and that's kind of the last step, you know. right now we're defending ourselves with peripheral things, michael. the rendition interrogation program is over. the drone strikes will be over and special forces raids are great, beautifully done, but they're ineffective in the sense of winning. we're losing this war, michae...

Where information isn't shared between the cia and the congress, who is at fault? is it because colleagues of yours -- former colleagues of yours, they frankly didn't want to be in the loop? or is it that the agency doesn't tell you what they should be telling you? >> i think this -- the answer to your question depends upon the specific situation. i think in the issues involving 9/11, including the withholding of information about who supported the hijackers while they were in the united states, and this information relative to interrogation techniques, that it was largely the administration w...

Indeed detailed briefings. often, congressmen and senators don't come to meetings, because they don't want to know. and in their place, they send staff members to be briefed on this. on a particular program. and then they can say they never attended or that they didn't know. >> well, i'm going to stick with this theme. michael su michael scheuer, thank you for being here. >> pleasure, sir. what did congress know about the cia's griffin itter gas stations, a key senator who says i was never told is going to join us next. and more trouble for bill cosby, another accusation, maybe the most da...