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Congressman jackie spear. she serves on the committee that held the hearing earlier today and "the daily beast" michelle cotter. >> at least congressman issa didn't cut mics off. >> we all got to say a few words. >> i mean, more and more of the same. clearly this has every appearance of a witch hunt, congress woman. >> here is the problem. we have a chairman of a committee who is supposed to be objective who goes on fox news before the first hearing and says there was white house involvement in the targeting by the irs. we then have over seven hearings. the ways and means committee has another...

to the right it's another excuse to attack the law and the president. >> he hasn't put enough loopholes into the law already the administration is now resorting to an honor system to enforce it. what the hell is this, a joke? >> what the extension means is i tried to sign up but couldn't finish the job. >> the president continues to make swiss cheese out of this law. >> it is more about making certain that the administration is not embarrassed by the enrollment number that was supposed to be generated on march 31. >> a joke? swiss cheese? what are they talking about? but it's funny t...

Is it off the table? >> of course it's not off the table. what mcconnell is betting on is that americans are going to forget all of those cuts in spending the last time we did this and thought oh, okay, the republicans are give on taxes this time. you've got to have all of these things on the table if they have any hope. everything will have to be on the table. it is interesting. they seem to have a problem with that mat mat kal issue all of the time. nia and michelle, thank you both for your time tonight. still ahead, paul ryan votes to let sandy victims suffer without relief money. but h...

In terms of bargaining around the debt ceiling limit. they've got a situation where th they're obviously talking about cuts. but one of the problems is people don't really wants cuts. and, also, i think the other reality is if you look at what's happened so far, i think we've cut out quite a bit. revenue that's come in so far, actually, i think it's been a third or fourth of that. so thal eve got a real challenge going forward in terms of what are we going to speak with. >> michelle, as long as it's out there where you have some just overtly saying shutdown is good, i'll do shutdown. don't we ...

Any one of the things at stake, the entire world economy. and i don't think republicans, if they're looking back at what happened in '95, '96, it was good for clinton that they shut the government down. it wasn't good for republicans at all. it very much set up a situation where bob dole was hurt in his campaign. if they want to help president obama in terms of approval ratings, don't shut the government down. >> michelle, the republicans are now saying their taxes are off the table. >> we've resolved the tax issue now. it's over. it's behind us. we were able to get permanent tax relief for 99...