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M15 may have expanded and we all may live with more surveillance and security, but asked if we were safer now than 20 years ago, the head of m15 said there was no simple answer. gordon corera, bbc news. in the past hour, i spoke to security and counter terrorism expert, will geddes in central london. i asked him how intelligence services have changed their operations in the wake of 9/11. in the wake of 9/11, it was a horrific wake—up call for all the intelligence agencies who had been dealing with terrorism on a much more microcosm level. i mean, for example, here in the united kingdom, focu...

Of those extremists. so, even if the taliban is absolutely in good faith about wanting to prevent terrorism being exported from afghanistan, that will be a difficult task to accomplish. m15 may have expanded and we all may live with more surveillance m15 may have expanded and we all may live with more surveillance and security, but asked if we were safer now than 20 years ago, the head of m15 said there was no simple answer. gordon corera, bbc news. thank you very much forjoining us. what change in terms of the operation in the wake of 9/11? well, very aggressively- — operation in the wake o...

Effective, than whatever the president says. >> having said that, i always expect ron's judgment on this and he may be entirely night. i saw this happen once on a microcosm level in the state of virginia. there was a deadlock and they withdrew the invitation of the republican governor to give his state of the commonwealth address from this capitol. he said fine, i'm just going to do it in my office and suddenly they realized woe have the show all to themselves and changed his mind and begged him to come down anyway and said i'm fine and was above it all. >> i don't think there's a chance trump...

Do. we're not a monarchy, we're a democracy. donald trump has to do exactly what i have had to do in kentucky, work with the duly elected legislative body. both the house and the senate. who may in their own respective caucuses not agree even among the each other, let alone with one another. there are many moving parts, that is the greatness of america that, is the challenge of america. frankly, great leaders thread the needle. it takes time. there's nothing being said about donald trump and this incoming administration that was not said the a more microcosm level about our administration. eve...

Level of anger that exists out here on the streets. and also a lot of the folks on these streets in baltimore, the neighborhood we're in has a lot of abandoned homes. this is the only corner. that's the library. we have a cvs. but so many of these homes are abandoned. a number of the other ones we're told are drug houses here. it goes to show you that being angry to the point that you're going to get arrested by the cops doesn't mean much. some people are so angry, they don't really care if they get arrested. and obviously, in some cases they don't get arrested for looting and those kinds of t...