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>> can't save him. >> the only way the president can protect his kids is with pardons. he cannot pardon them for state crimes. robert mueller and the southern district are preserving the option. they are working with state prosecutors in order to prevent trump from exercising his pardon power. >> i have to get your take on this, midwin charles. in your view, can a president of the united states be indicted while in office? >> yes. i do. i do. i know a lot of people talked about the fbi policy paper. it's a policy. it is a policy. the supreme court has not ruled on it. there is no statute that ...

Corroborate what the documents show and the american people get a full picture. that's the next logical step. >> we'll definitely be watching. ro khanna, appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> joining us is midwin charles, tim o'brien, author of "trump nation." msnbc legal analyst paul butler. tim, everyone remembers at this point where they were when they heard the name alan weisselberg. my colleague lawrence o'donnell mentioned he first heard it from donny deutsch. i heard it first from you. i wonder if you think what you just heard from ro khanna is they have a litany of people t...

Hello. i think we are here. the southern district has its own venue to prosecute him for all these insurance fraud crimes, bank fraud, financial crimes. this also occurred between 2011 and 2013, way before he was candidate trump. he should not be immune for prosecution on that side. but nor should he be in terms of mueller and his investigation either. >> mueller is going to -- and the u.s. attorney in the southern district will follow the deal. it's a moot point. >> hold on. >> no, no, no, wait. >> we can't get into the doj guidelines. >> it's a guideline. what seema and a lot of people are s...

To figure out how to respond to the "new york times" report about the june 2016 meeting in which russians came to trump tower to talk about having dirt on hillary clinton. her story is she took an ambien and went to bed. that will be probed. ivanka was the hub of a lot of the business requests around the inauguration. i think there were $120 million or so that flowed into the inauguration committee. she was a conduit for deciding where the money went. that's become a subject of interest for investigators. she's not outside of any of this. >> midwin, what are the risks? it's unprecedented the i...

Night. i'm sure we all can about the chicago police and about some of the things that exist as it relates to that police department, as it relates to the department of justice, as it relates to their transgressions, particularly as it relates to people of color. in this case, i don't have things that are bad to say about them. let me tell you why. they investigated the case. they investigated it thoroughly. when people started speaking about an issue of there could be a hoax and, oh, my goodness, they said we don't have information that would support that at all. i think they dotted their i's....