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About imagining that in six states the results are somehow illegitimate. but it sounds like they really were. that's what makes me think about this was just about taking the election for the republican party without a real sense for what was at stake for american democracy. >> professor, how do you teach constitutional law and these issues today when there is one party that has authoritarian support and its leadership on the record in private and now increasingly in public? >> i've said before, the best thing the trump administration did, and it's unfortunate this was the best thing, is that i...

The degree to which that notion was being talked about, bandied about, posed by people serving in congress, that seems to me to be quite striking and even striking. >> professor? >> i want to follow up on something that emily said. i think it seems like the earlier texts show a coup in progress, a lot of support for this discredited john eastman theory of discrediting and getting over on the voters by decertifying the election. then it seems like they have this change of heart. almost like that show "family matters" when jalil white steps in as erckal and says, did i do that? they're actually ...

Professor millicent murray and "new york times" emily babylon. emily, your thoughts on all of the above? >> i think it's really important, as you keep emphasizing, this is new evidence, new pieces of information that certainly would have played a role to impeach president trump if those facts had been known at the time. the most important part to me is the part that implicates meadows, trump's close adviser at the time, and obviously members of congress. you see this in-the-moment urgent concerned response to january 6th, but also previously this set of assumptions that it's possible to overtu...