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I have to ask for your response to that. >> that is an interesting mind trick by the president, to suggest that i am engaged in corruption because i'm telling the ukrainian government to not accede to the president's request for them to interfere in the 2020 election. i'm very clear about what i said to the president of ukraine. i told him if he's talking to the united states, he should be talking to the state department. he should not be engaged in conversations with the president's re-election campaign. and if he were to do that, he would damage his credibility globally and in the united sta...

The only problem is you know the old expression. hoisted on your own petard, the french word for a bomb. they wanted to blow up biden on this. now they're dealing with it. but can the democrats make a case? not just that, boy, is he sneaky. boy, was he trying to do what he was doing the last time with his campaign, which was trying to find an edge if it was available. but is it an abuse of power that rises to the level of nullifying an election? >> yeah. >> it's a high bar. >> here's what i've been trying to figure out when this whole story -- and it's like, well, it doesn't really make sense....

Investigating you and had shelved the investigation, then why would you fight for a tougher prosecutor that might come in and investigate? the whole -- like it doesn't make sense. it's a great jedi mind trick, but when you actually really think about it logically, it doesn't make sense that someone would want to get rid of a prosecutor. >> why would you think about it logically if what you want is to be right? and what you want to be right about is that biden is dirty and that his son was dirty. and if you want to believe that, why would you spend time messing with the explanation? that's what...

Racism will go away if trump were president. what i do hope from a president is that you shame those people, right? in other words, they are not out there on fox news saying the things that they are saying and not emboldened by the leadership so when you ask how does radicalization happen? some is social media. it comes from the person themselves. it's impossible to deny now that the tone, the condoning, the lack of shame from our leadership, the lack of shame for having these opinions does not impact what wray testified today which is obviously that wipe supremacy is our biggest issue. >> if ...

Mind trick, the people that talk about it, it's not the people committing terrorist acts, the wipe supremacy who are the real racist. >> of course, you seen this time and time again. it's a republican defense that happened before donald trump but donald trump is also deploying it that the people who call me racist, they are the real racist and the real threat. be afraid of the muslims and brown people and these loud mouth congresswomen when in reality what we know is that this president, his entire poer political career is based on fear and endangering people of color. >> let's put the graphic...