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As we know. things have changed and it's hard to know, when the president says he would like to run against joe biden, does he mean he wouldn't like to run against joe biden? why would you ask the question? >> can't we just accept something on the face of it. >> one of the dangers in politics is generals fighting the last war but one of the things about biden that hurt him is he was famously loose lipped. not so much by comparison to the current occupant. a feature not a bug and it's relevant for democrats to say while there is strikingly no consensus why democrats lost the election, it's clea...

Mind trick on so many people and they bought it. he knows he can play this game and continue to win it. >> back to wolf's original point. i brought up the issue of roseanne and the national anthem. if that wasn't disrespect then what was? the same supporter who look down on the nfl players or think the nfl players are disrespecting the flag and the anthem, they are on roseanne's side and wanting to agree with her and want to lift her up. why the hypicrosy and the president is doing the same thing as well. >> why don't you weigh in bryan on what when he heard in don, the president so involved i...

Counsel to the senate and judiciary committees, and cnn legal analyst michael zeldin who was robert mueller's former special assistant at the justice department. i've got a lot of questions for you guys in a short period of time here. so i said this, caroline, is this a jedi mind trick because how can someone -- i'm being serious. >> i have to believe, don, there's a bigger strategy here. otherwise there's literally no explanation for what rudy giuliani just did. talk about rudy to the rescue, this is terrible thing that he did. i have to think he's getting out in front of some bad facts that ...

Judiciary committees, and cnn legal analyst michael zeldin who was robert mueller's former special assistant at the justice department. i've got a lot of questions for you guys in a short period of time here. so i said this, caroline, is this a jedi mind trick because how can someone -- i'm being serious. >> i have to believe, don, there's a bigger strategy here. otherwise there's literally no explanation for what rudy giuliani just did. talk about rudy to the rescue, this is terrible thing that he did. i have to think he's getting out in front of some bad facts that he knows, potentially. it'...

Has done is he has laid out at least reasoning to say back to his supporters i wanted to do that interview, i wanted to do that interview but they were being unrealistic and if you look back at that hannity interview tonight with rudy giuliani, rudy giuliani laid down the markers. he put down unreasonable expectations if there were to be an interview. so there will never be an interview and what we're going to see now is a very vicious political fight, one that i thought was coming but it's certainly coming a lot faster. >> unless this is some odd strategy that they're doing a jedi mind trick,...