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To sit down for an interview. we're seeing the legal team take the shift. what we've seen what drum has done is he had laid out reasonabli reasonings to say back to reporters, i wanted to do that interview but they were being unrealistic. if you look back at that interview tonight with rudy giuliani, he put down the marker and put forth reasonable expectations if there is a interview. what we're going to see now is a visual fight that's coming a lot faster. >> unless there's some odd strategy that they're doing a mind trick, i don't know. stand by everyone i want to get to jeff zeleny, our cnn...

Very difficult to figure out what in the world she was talking about. i have no idea why donald trump at the moment cares about great boxer jack johnson. but i think the previous report alludes to -- the president is literally just floating out the words pardon, and hoping that michael cohen receives the message. this is like a little bit of a jedi mind trick here. and trying to influence quite frankly what michael cohen does. the president should not count, i think, on michael cohen. i don't know michael cohen from a can of paint, but my impression is he's not built for prison and with a youn...

I want to read this. this is what the president tweeted this weekend. democrats sent a political and long response memo which they knew because the sources and methods and more would have to be heavily redacted where upon they would blame the white house for lack of transparency. told them to do and send back in proper form. that's a jedi mind trick. given the president's track record with the truth, this is hard to judge without seeing it because you have to go in and do fact checks and research every time the president saying something to make sure he is telling the truth, which is not very ...

On the compromise on immigration reform. we can't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. president trump has an historic opportunity. he got chuck schumer and left-wing people like gutierez to say we'll fund the border wall if you give us humanity for the million dreamers. >> sean: democrats don't want the wall, they want to run on daca. isn't that the truth, larry alder. >> the democrats have lost the white vote since 1964 unless they can use the jeddi mind trick they need to bring in

>> in broad strokes, you are absolutely right to recite what i believe is in a reasonable compromise on the issue of immigration reform. we can't by concentrating on sanctuary cities snatch 80 feet from the jaws of victory. we have an opportunity now, president donald trump has a opportunity. he got chuck schumer and fiery left-wing congresspeople like luis gutierrez, to say yes, we will fund the southern border wall that was the central issue in trump's campaign. we will fund the border wall, you get the border wall if you give us -- >> sean: here's the thing. democrats don't want the wall. t...