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>> it's like the among "money for nothing." interest rates were in a historically low place. so this would be the worst time in donald trump's entire adult life to pay all cash for propertie properties. >> there's so many benefits to buying with debt. he says he's the king of debt but he's privately spending all cash. the explanation we got from eric trump was we decided in 2006 we wanted to be more conservative. that's their explanation. i don't have any other at this point. >> sounds like you could read the story and conclude the trump family was prudent in the second

Them on security and defense, all the stuff i've been talking about with the iran nuclear deal. we're saying to donald trump yes, you have a good point, yes we need to be tougher on iran and here's how we do it so we think we can do both things at once. >> so i'm going to ask you a question, it's going to be concise, understanding brevity is the soul of wit, let me get to the end of the question and then you respond, okay? >> fine. >> here we go. >> i'm ready, i'm braced. >> look at that. how do you communicate the sense of confidence that you have about britain's future to the people whom you...

What you're saying about setting up a lanny davis-like operation outside the white house. the other thing, a more general point, but he creates his own dramas, right? so he says something. he electively challenges some cultural convention then gets mad when people like us talk about it. it's the self defeating cycle. and it doesn't -- we used to say it doesn't have to be this way. maybe it just does. maybe there's no capacity to learn or grow. >> they have tried to do exactly what you're talking about last summer. they explored this idea of a bifurcated system, a lanny davis part of the west w...

>> so, mika, first of all, it's important for us at this point to blow up a lie that donald trump and rudy giuliani keep spitting out there and giuliani keeps saying, oh, this would have been paid any way. even if there weren't a presidential election this would have been paid any way. it bears repeating that donald trump and stormy daniels got together at least met allegedly had an affair in 2006. got it? >> right. >> 2006. they end up paying her off a week before the election. >> i know. >> ten years later. so, rudy giuliani makes himself look like a fool, makes the president look like a lia...

On borders. you look at the borders, that i don't want the wall but we'll get the wall. even if we have to think about closing up the country for a while, we'll get the wall, we have no moisturize. >> so once again donald trump threatening to shut down the government over the wall and then again you have rudy giuliani going out there. talk about the rising level of anxiety among republican house members. >> there's certainly a lot of anxiety and heidi was right about the west virginia primary on tuesday being a major point of that anxiety. as steve and john were referring to joe mccarthy, ther...