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Interest. i just believe that a judge is going to take a close look and it's going to be examined closely by a judge in terms of what role mark meadows was playing there, was there any tuck to governmental interest in that discussion in terms of the service that he was providing to the president. i think it's a tough case, but the standard is so low that i think we can't be assured that a judge isn't going to go the other way on this thing. >> and let me ask you, you worked for donald trump and you worked in this white house. do you think there's any chance whatsoever that he would accept a pl...

Think we can't be assured that a judge isn't going to go the other way on this thing. >> and let me ask you this. you worked for donald trump. you worked in his white house. do you think that there's any chance whatsoever that he would accept a plea agreement if it means keeping him out of jail? i mean as much as he is trying to make a mint off of his mug shot, i can't imagine he wants to spend any time in the slammer. >> look, this state case is probably going to get heard two years down the road. i know what the trial date is, but state cases tend to drag on. there's going to be a lot of mot...

Are enforceable. and again, can't cut out your hair, people! >> that is so fundamentally wrong. >> she has made a mint off of her hairline, too. i mean, she really has made a lot of money off of it. >> so what do you think? do you think she comes after looking bad and wrong? >> i think based on the dollars involved, i don't know that she cares how she comes off. because there's so much money here. but i do know that ultimately if they move forward with this lawsuit, it certainly has merit, and there's some settlement value in it too. so does it go to trial? maybe not. >> it's bad for her image...

Right. now, betsy mccaughey has done this before. in 1994 she wrote an attack on the bill clinton health care reform proposal in a magazine called "the new republic." that article was so riddled with errors that the magazine ultimately distanced themselves from it even though they published it in the first place. that didn't stop the opponents of health care reform back then from citing her disproven attacks over and over and over again and so far nothing is stopping the opponents of health care reform now from doing the same thing. the deathers theory is everywhere on the right. it's on the h...

Right. now, betsy mccaughey has done this before. in 1994 she wrote an attack on the bill clinton health care reform proposal in a magazine called "the new republic." that article was so riddled with errors that the magazine ultimately distanced themselves from it though they published it in the first place. that didn't stop the opponents of health care reform back then from citing her disproven attacks over and over and over again and so far nothing is stopping the opponents of health care reform now from doing the same thing. the deathers theory is everywhere on the right. it's on the house ...