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Wall but what he is doing is dividing americans for political reasons. that's the real wall he's building. >> right. >> because it's an us versus them psychology that he's erecting for political purposes. when it's unnecessary. he has people believing there's caravans coming after us when he knows better. what he really wants is to keep people divided so he can stay in power to serve his business friends. >> admiral, i want to show you steve ratner's last chart again shows between '95 and 2000, during the last five years of clinton administration we really did have a problem. we had 2 million ...

Stop them because all you're doing is creating a refugee crisis on the mexican border. you need to deal as obama tried to do with the problem in central america, if you look at the last one to give you a little more ammunition, talk about mexicans, they are actually leaving the country on a net basis. since the financial crisis, they have on a net basis been leaving the country. >> keep that up for a second. rev, this really is just a mirage. during the bush administration, earlier in the reagan, bush and clinton administration, we had a massive influx of illegal immigrants. look at those numb...