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Stakes of where they are. they know the stakes of what vladimir putin has unleashed upon them, but i think the reality we've seen is that they are a distinct people with their own national identity, their own language, their own history, and they do not accept vladimir putin's version of history, and whatever happens here, putin has only strengthened that identity. since 2014, she also said to me, ukrainians have gotten even more determined to defend their democracy, to defend their sovereignty, and the reality is that however this goes, years from now, when vladimir putin is no longer with us...

Ukrainian city, we who have studied this war have always been looking at the russian airborne troops, the so-called ddd, have performed terribly. those were to be the strike force that went in first. and that's probably infuriating mr. putin. they've lost entire unites and equipment. the russian force is very clumsily and i expect they will culminate their attacks because they have pushed -- >> what do you mean by culminate? >> -- continue to kill citizens and civilians and commit war crimes. >> that's the thing we're seeing now, right, more and more targeting of civilian areas, civilians, we ...

Hawley, you know, ted cruz, ron desantis down at cpac, none of those people -- they are not praising putin, i'll be clear, cruz or desantis, but they're not attacking him. they're on stage at cpac with the republicans talking about the culture war, giving tacit permission to this. all of them are the 2024 republican political -- the front runners for the next republican nominee, and your point has been notice that the pro-putin wing is the wing that consists of people who are trying to -- who are likely next republican nominee in the party, and it's not a coincidence that's the case, right? an...

Near term, but what's the path back? >> that's a good question, victor. i think it's been evident now that moscow is not really interested in serious diplomacy. there were diplomatic off-ramps that washington offered, that nato offered six weeks ago and the russians just brushed them aside. so there will be a place for diplomacy, i hope at some point, but it may be a while. and there has to be an indication first and foremost that the russians are moving to de-escalate this crisis before you can really have a serious conversation. >> we're seeing the opposite, obviously, of russia escalating a...

Like, neighbor can just come and tell twus what to do. we are an independent country and we are not the same as russians and we don't want to be a part of russia or any other country. i'm getting very emotional, and i cannot believe it's happening really. i just hope that some people in russia may see this and just stand against putin and the war. >> reporter: what would you want people in russia to know and hear from you. >> russian media is blocking all information, and i would like them to know that they're not taking just their military but our neighborhoods and making us