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To be able to carry contraceptions that is against their personal beliefs. and here we have the optics of president obama and the pope -- >> well, first of all, though, haven't many presidents appeared in meetings and photo ops with popular -- and sure, all popes back to -- i'm not sure who. >> 1300 >> not the 1300s, but many presidents have met with the pope. but not at a time like this when -- >> sorry, howie. if you want to, go. >> no, you go. >> when religious freedom was -- this is one of the most landmark cases that will ever happen. >> and the pope and the president have very different ...

To be able to carry contraceptions that is against their personal beliefs. and here we have the optics of president obama and the pope -- >> well, first of all, though, haven't many presidents appeared in meetings and photo ops with popular -- and sure, all popes back to -- i'm not sure who. >> 1300 >> not the 1300s, but many presidents have met with the pope. but not at a time like this when -- >> sorry, howie. if you want to, go. >> no, you go. >> when religious freedom was -- this is one of the most landmark cases that will ever happen. >> and the pope and the president have very different ...