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Like that in view of what you believe will be concrete action? >> well, i'm 20 years campaigning on this. we had 2002 when we had the explosion of revelations in boston. we had pope john paul, two popes back, actually saying there was no place in the priesthood or religious life for a man who would harm a child. yet here we are 17 years on and we're still talking about it. >> sorry to interrupt, but do you feel as a result of this four-day summit that perhaps the catholic church is now closer to that kind of concrete action that you're speaking of? >> they may be closer. all they announced tod...

To be able to carry contraceptions that is against their personal beliefs. and here we have the optics of president obama and the pope -- >> well, first of all, though, haven't many presidents appeared in meetings and photo ops with popular -- and sure, all popes back to -- i'm not sure who. >> 1300 >> not the 1300s, but many presidents have met with the pope. but not at a time like this when -- >> sorry, howie. if you want to, go. >> no, you go. >> when religious freedom was -- this is one of the most landmark cases that will ever happen. >> and the pope and the president have very different ...

To be able to carry contraceptions that is against their personal beliefs. and here we have the optics of president obama and the pope -- >> well, first of all, though, haven't many presidents appeared in meetings and photo ops with popular -- and sure, all popes back to -- i'm not sure who. >> 1300 >> not the 1300s, but many presidents have met with the pope. but not at a time like this when -- >> sorry, howie. if you want to, go. >> no, you go. >> when religious freedom was -- this is one of the most landmark cases that will ever happen. >> and the pope and the president have very different ...

Pope -- >> well, first of all, though, haven't many presidents appeared in meetings and photo ops with popular -- and sure, all popes back to -- i'm not sure who. >> 13 pun? >> not the 1300s, but many presidents have met with the pope. but not at a time like this when -- >> sorry, howie. if you want to, go. >> no, you go. >> when religious freedom was -- this is one of the most landmark cases that will ever happen. >> and the pope and the president have very different stances on it. >> sure. and i think that was seen in the spin, in the readout after this. you have the vatican saying, well, we...