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To five weeks into this surge. i think maybe we are seeing a decrease because those initial hot spots, those cities especially on the east coast are seeing a decline in cases. but we also have other parts of the country that are still having an increase in cases. we know that hospitalizations across the country are still quite high, and our health care systems are maxed out. so i do want to exercise caution to the public over the next few weeks that transmission rates are still quite high. and so everyone should really be practicing those mitigation measures that we know work so well. so defin...

Which, that case, put you at par with the number of deaths we see from the flu on a yearly basis and if that's the case, i think we'll look at something that looks more like the flu. at this point in time, we're still way above those numbers. >> yeah, just, looking at kind of mitigation efforts and in new york, the supreme court judge has struck down the mask mandate for indoor public places including schools and nursing homes and public transport. the mandate can remain in effect while it's being appealed but from a public health standpoint, what does all of this legal fighting that we've see...

Cases a date down to around five -- 600,000 which is still a lot. but in some states receive and increase the number of cases and deaths. that means we need to continue to practice or safety measures entered mitigation measures which of course starts off with making sure that you are vaccinated, where your mask indoors in public crowded areas. get tested and if you're sick stay home. arthel: basically don't let your guard down, now's not the time. how do you think the federal government or the white house can plan ahead? >> that is a great question. i'm a huge proponent of prevention. we can d...

A oregon is one of the states you mentioned. let me show you what happened in oregon. they've gone through this before. if you look back right in the middle of june there, you will see that's when the mandates for masks were lifted at that point and you had a significant peak. some of that because of people not wearing masks. a lot of it because of the delta surge. but that's the point. you have to be nimble here. you have to almost look at this like weather events. it might change. it might start to rain again. you might have to mask up or take out an umbrella. so that's the problem we're fal...

♪ to keep my kids favorite song. the tide might be turning on covert restrictions. it calls for a return to normal. >> people real resume their normal lives right at think we need to describe goalpost to ho we take these mitigation measures offered i think we nee to be as aggressive in lifting these things as we were about putting them in place. that's going to help us all to preserve the authority among public health officials to reimplement some measures and the future if in fact this does return next winter. >> the new york times also pushing back after publishing this piece. let's take t...