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Is not as -- not as deadly. it doesn't make people as sick as these previous variants. let me show you quickly, john, oregon. this is one of the states where they're talking about rolling back these mask mandates at some point soon. you can see if you see previously what happened sort of middle of june of last year they lifted mandates, and, you know, pretty soon after that the delta surge and sort of straight up the numbers went, and they reinstated mandates at some point around masks. this was the hospitalizations that went up at that point. and you can see the hospitalizations are still hig...

As a result, we're always lagging. we talk about when to lift masks, when to actually stop mitigation measures. that's based on data. the data we have is often -- it's not adequate, nor is it timely either. there's inconsistencies in the data. just as a reporter for two years, it's kind of remarkable if we hear positive test, does that mean it's a test of a single person or could a person have had three positive tests and that leads to three positives in a particular locality? still, there are states that do this differently than other places. so we still don't know for sure what a positive me...

That at times has led to more relaxation of the rules. and there's a nor stringent of the mitigation measures, masks being one of them. we're very fortunate here in new jersey we have a governor that believes the following the science, and following the data. we continue to press that. no one can predict exactly what things look like. we'll see how things are trending. but should anything change and look different at the time, or even in the future it shouldn't be a political decision to take a mask off. and it should be one to put them back. on >> i asked whether or not people are happy about...

Governors seem to be saying, our people are tired, business community is tired. parents are tired. we need to do something. >> tired and frustrated and angry with public health officials whose trust in them has fallen over the past couple years. frustrated with local and state officials. but i want to highlight something which is the frustration of vaccinated america with unvaccinated america. and you saw that in the comments from democratic governor jerry polis of colorado. he's steadily talked about this. in december he said if you get sick, it's your own darn fault. it's not my job to manda...

Deadly. doesn't make people as sick as these previous variants. let me show you, quickly, john, oregon. these -- this is one of the states where they are talking about rolling back these mask mandates at some point soon. you can see if you -- if you see, you know, previously what happened, sort of midfuldle of e of last year, they lifted mandates and, you know, pretty soon after that, the -- the delta surge and sort of straight up, the numbers went and they reinstated mandates at some point around masks. this was a -- the hospitalizations that -- that went up at that point. and you can see the...