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Man," which i have. thank you for the copy. tell us what it means there. this prosecutors code that was broken potentially. >> the prosecutors code is based on you have to have real life experience. and i talk a lot in the book about the real trials i did, mob cases, things i did in the sdny. i did that in part i think people are interested. i think people should know how do prosecutors make decisions, what happens behind closed doors. also, each of those stories there's a principle behind it. never lie, never play politics, never stab your colleagues in the back. if you get it wrong, admit it...

Crimes are unsolved. when you're thinking about it fundamentally if you take all the reports crimes and then all the unreported crimes, including things that only the potential criminal might know about like something simple, refusing to report all your cash income, then the number of solved and convicted crimes is much lower than the total. when it comes to complex crimes that are maybe never busted like not caught on tape or seen by a random witness or otherwise outed by surveillance footage, well, for those kind of crimes, investigators typically need an insider. that person may be part of ...

Whole time. he knows. >> elliot, what -- what kind of levers do prosecutors have to get something, like, you know, the accountant to -- to cooperate with them? and we've seen this in, you know, mob cases and in, you know, mob movies. where it's the accountant, in the end, who brings the people down. >> right. look. if you are -- if prosecutors are investigating an organization for financial or tax irregularities, the last person on earth an organization wants is their four-decade-tenured chief-financial officer, now, the huge incentive, to answer your question, anderson, is the risk of prosecu...

Intent. unfortunately, new york tools are not as good as federal tools. but, you know, what emily said is exactly right. you know, if trump's -- trump is -- goes out of his way to insert plausible deniability, a cover story into everything he says. like on the day of the riot. like with the michael cohen testimony before congress. but that doesn't get you off the hook, if -- if the prosecutors can, otherwise, prove that the person had the intent. so, there is lots of ways to do that. i mean, a great example is cohen's testimony before congress. right? i mean, he said, trump didn't say go lie. ...

Having insurance and said the following. >> joining me now to discuss is michael moore, a former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia. welcome back. >> thanks. >> look. if i disappear, insurance being thrown under the bus, you've talked about what we are hearing from giuliani and not just giuliani but also the president similar to what you hear in mob cases. >> right. they are talking like this is an old mob movie. we talk about passing messages through intermediaries and saying things in a code people can't understand and conveying your wishes and directives to your lieutenants do...