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Out, then it should. right now, for right now, strictly on the legal merits, i think the democrats have the better side of the argument for you now which is there no need to really disseminate that. the cause primarily, everybody was he screaming how it was secondhand information. now others have coul forward, the call has -- have come forward, the call has been disclosed so the argument you don't need him or her anymore. there are some reports, i'm not going to get into, you may have seen about exactly who that person is and that's kind of interesting. already, in other words. eric: what abou...

Help rudy judeigiuliani, it waso back and look at 2016. to barr has a parallel investigation on involving italy, australia, the u.k., and it is not getting as much attention, but it is important because it is the arm of the federal government. >> and john durham and his day today responsibility for it opinion someone that you have covered in the context of the cia investigations. >> he was brought in in the bush administration to examine the interrogation program. he has a history of going after mob cases. he has been part of the campaign for a long time and he is certainly seen as a straight ...

The dynamics are intriguing. they hope people's short attention spans will potentially benefit them going into the fall and going into 2020. i think they may be pashlly correct, depending on how democrats hand this will thing once they take a vote. >> lastly to you, mimi. this is a moral moment. we talked in the past about the need to speak up, why people aren't speaking up. the political calculus versus the moral calculus. here we are at a very pivotal moment. again, tell us about the crimes that have been committed. reminding us of the crimes committed on television. and in plain sight of ev...

How russian -- i could have said following on what jeff greenfield said, this is what we see in mob cases. this is what we saw -- the godfather obviously based on a lot of mob cases as well. it makes no sense. there's no way that the justice department should have left this man sitting in that jail cell by himself and there is no explanation that the attorney general, there's no explanation the bureau of prisons with give. there's no explanation that anyone can give to explain why he was and whether that launches a million conspiracy theories or not. this attorney general and this president ha...

Listen to that and interpret that. and lastly, the special counsel in the special counsel report makes reference to this voice mail and interprets it to be an effort to interfere and perhaps obstruct, perhaps, with what mike flynn is trying to do to cooperate with the government. they interpret it to be something that is one of the obstructive things that were being done behind the scenes. the only question was, was dowd acting at the behest of the president? we don't know. >> let's ask our legal expert here. you say this voice mail is is out of a mob textbook. break down what you hear? >> i c...