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Decision as to what is in your interest, i want to see that you talked to somebody who is conflict-free, and they went to the federal defenders, and in our experience are really wonderful lawyers. a lot of people think just because they're free, they're not good. they tend to be really excellent counsel, and that's what you saw happen. and what you're putting your finger on and what is unfortunate is this is so common in any case where there is a crime that's committed by a group and there's a real hierarchy, and it's a real problem in the law. it's in mob cases, in corporate cases. it's in pu...

The same way that in mob cases, people talk about the boss, they say i'm ordering you to murder someone. you can say, well, they were free to speak. that doesn't make it their language any less illegal. here, they really focused on specific conduct at issue. i think you're going to be steering way clear of those kinds of first amendment issues. >> i want to play a little bit of sound from trump's lawyer, john lauro, speaking with savannah guthrie on the today show this morning. it's like they haven't gotten member the first amendment here's what they said, let's take a listen. >> this is the f...

Seems like, well, how full testimony is he giving. is that fair? >> i'm glad this is coming out in this case, because this is a very common practice. it's not inherently illegal. it happens all the time. corporate cases a lot of times the ceo or the corporation pays for everybody. mob cases like i used to, the boss would pay for everybody for exactly this reason. absolutely, though, what it does is it makes it much more difficult to cooperate. a, because you're going to have a conflict of interest if you're going to be testifying against the person who is essentially paying your bill. so it is...

>> does it make it -- i had not even grappled with the idea that that would actually be used as evidence in terms of the inter linkage and relationship between donald trump and the january sixers. but does it make it harder to try the case if there is this attempt to normalize what happened on january 6th? does that complicate, for example, the jury pool? i just wonder if there are dynamics that work in reverse. >> yeah, that's a great question. because, the last time i saw something like that, i used to do mob cases. and the john gati technique was basically to flaunt it. he really wasn't say...

Same process. but i do think, part of law -- he has lived a long time without this being being called to the carpet on it -- i think that's going to happen. >> does it make it -- i had not even grappled with the idea that that would actually be used as evidence in terms of the inter linkage and relationship between donald trump and the january sixers. but does it make it harder to try the case if there is this attempt to normalize what happened on january 6th? does that complicate, for example, the jury pool? i just wonder if there are dynamics that work in reverse. >> yeah, that's a great que...