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recorded testimony by former pence chief of staff mark short who was with vice president pence an january 6th. was a firsthand witness to trump's pressure campaign in the days leading up to it. we're told house investigators will try to make the case that the pressure on pence directly distributed to the insurrection at the capitol and the continuing ongoing threat to the rule of law and democracy in the united states. many aides are promising new information about what the vice president was doing during the riot, and where he was hiding as that mob chanted, hang mike pence, hang mi...

Chairman michael steele. our friend, michael steele, who once ran the esteemed national republican party. how far we have all come from those. days michael steele, what was your take watching this tonight? >> you know, let's start with how far we have fallen. >> [laughter] -- >> i think, is, a good place to start -- but rachel maddow, what for me it was interesting was, a lot of folks -- and nicolle knows this very well, and my friend joy knows this too given her space in politics and knowing about it -- this is not about who won or who lost. this is about who is able to who is able to achieve...

Debate each other to become the nominee, this guy's not there, but we have to go check this box. the box is, there is a guy who's running 40 points ahead who try to end the constitutional republic, and whose mob chanted for one of the death of the guy onstage. let's go through that and let's get to the -- okay, i get, the resentment they all have around it that was just encapsulated -- and the weirdness of the debate of him not being there but looming in that way, to me the brett bear moment was like, if you need ten seconds of what was this debate about. >> we got the bracketing and mr. bear'...

Box. the box is, there is a guy who's running 40 points ahead who try to and the constitutional republic, and who mob chanted for one of the death of the guy onstage. let's go through that and let's get to the -- okay, i get, the resentment they all have around it it was just encapsulated -- and the winners of the debate of him not being there but looming in that way, to me the brett bexar moment was like, if you need ten seconds of what was this debate about. >> we got the bracket and mr. bears co-moderator miss mccallum, having to say we will move on, we will move on. >> promise, last one on...