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Saying i'll go on the campaign trail once a week, i'll talk about a few of these grand macrothings. trump is a bad guy. you think that is enough to propel him to the white house? >> people vote for change. people voted for trump and obama. part of this is how people feel emotionally. this is something that they see with biden. >> a lot of this morality play against trump, this is not who we are. this is a morality play to voters is not working and something that they tried in 2016 and didn't work them. i don't see it working in 2020. >> the american voter, a lot of people put off by the presid...

>> we never use the word left. but the issues that we talk about, is it left to say that in this country we should have a minimum wage that is a living wage? is it left to say that everybody should have healthcare? is it left to say that we have to address the crisis of climate change. >> when you do this, you're really smart, be i the way. it's all wrapped in this morality play, even though this economy is a broad-based recovery, especially blue-collar workers finally having more opportunities because of trump's policies. >> the minimum wage is irrelevant now because people can't find workers...

Is it left to say that in this country, we should have a minimum wage that's a living wage? is it left to say that everybody should have healthcare as a right? is it left to say that we have to address the crisis of climate change? >> laura: when you do this you're really smart, by the way. again, it's all wrapped in this morality play, is it not? victor, even though this economy is a broad-based recovery, especially blue collar workers finally getting their wages going up. le finally having more opportunities, frankly because of trump's policies. >> the minimum wage is irrelevant now because ...

What do you think? >> no question. by the way, note to self, don't follow elie mystal on something like this. this whole hearing was a morality play in washington how people were setting themselves on fire to serve trumpism. if you want to show you're not a racist, i have black friends is like the lamest, most awkward thing you could possibly do. simply to have someone stand behind you and not talk, i mean, which aide, which overpaid congressional aide came up with that? >> yeah. >> but yeah, there's no question about it. mark meadows is, in fact, a birther and this has been the sort of cancer...

>> you have a different take on it. but everybody is. to watch all this play out so publicly, like this morality play. tiffany, we have to reserve judgment on whether we convict him right now in the media. however, in order to file a false claim, if it turns out that he is guilty of this, i do think it's worth a little bit of exploration as to what possesses somebody and why would somebody who is so successful do this? and i thought it was very interesting what columbia professor john mcwarder tweeted about. at the said we're at a peculiar sociostage where someone could think being jumped by b...