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were, you know, put in exile. that's what they'll have to get to. you'll have the folks. >> mary miller just -- >> miller. let's wait and see, chip roy and if you have scott perry voting yes, you'll have the serious people will now come over to kevin and then you'll have the kind of the clown show for lack of a better phrase, right? the people who are just -- they're just here for theater, right? if those are the folks still outstanding mccarthy will win. >> that's i think the key point. >> that was mary miller. >> mary miller who had previously been part of the bloc of 20 just flipp...

There's still six people who aren't voting for him and clowns or not, their votes count the same on the floor. that really -- the calling out of this group is has been the question and now does the pressure or anything else move matt gaetz and his contention? i don't know the answer yet but at least we -- >> we'll know the names. these are the hold-outs who aren't going, right? before it was a morpheus group. >> who was that? [ applause ] >> let's bring in manu raju again. manu, who was it that just flipped? manu? you're on the air. who was it -- was it norman? >> reporter: yeah. >> norman is ...

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