At a company that lacks black and latino employees at the same degree as white male employees. so to have this very public role and have it led by a white man is to users, they're like what's going on? because you said, hey, we want more black people, we want more latino people. the person who is in charge of that is a white male hire. people are sort of taken aback by that. >> i am so of two minds on this. on the with unhand, if we use the language of diversity and not of racial justice, lgbt questions, women, that does constitute diversity. when what we mean is racial justice, maybe we ought...