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Joe biden and paul ryan. it will take place in kentucky. democrats counting on a strong performance from the vice president who has been hold up for days studying in his hometown of wilmington, delaware. the vice president is receiving counsel from obama campaign senior adviser david axelrod and has done two mock debates. vice president biden also reportedly been reading "young guns," remember that? a book co-written by paul ryan. congressman ryan is in florida this morning where he's lined up for a full day of debate prep. yesterday the republican vice-presidential nominee said he is ready fo...

Parse-proof. you have campaigns looking at everything someone says, where inflection can become a campaign ad. obama i suppose in a sense should have known better. you don't put the subject anywhere apart from a predicate. you've got to say it better and this is an example of where he's paying the price. the corporations are people, too. this is a case study of how you don't say it. >> keep the predicate near the subject. >> i want to talk, hugo, we're back in we said politics was back in the mud pit and we're hearing more from david axelrod yesterday tweeting about mitt romney's olympics reco...

Cain at 32% and romney at 31%. while perry is once again far behind in third place at 8%. joining me now, national affairs editor for "new york" mack gazine, john heilman who was at the debate, msnbc contributor alex wagner, former adviser to the george w. bush and mccain campaigns, mark mckinnon also joins us. and former chief of staff to congresswoman michele bachmann ron kerry returns to the show. thank you all for joining me tonight. alex, could president obama have had a better debate night? >> you have to think that president obama was sitting just rubbing his hands together saying, keep...

Wagner, former adviser to the george w. bush and mccain campaigns, mark mckinnon also joins us. and former chief of staff to congresswoman michele bachmann ron kerry returns to the show. thank you all for joining me tonight. alex, could president obama have had a better debate night? >> you have to think that president obama was sitting just rubbing his hands together saying, keep it going. i mean, it devolved, literally was there a mud pit stage left where they could take out the tax disputes hand to hand combat style? it was, i think, i mean, look, you've seen these candidates graded on a nu...

Quick-thinking driver who saved them, as you can imagine, from very serious injury. >> good to see one with a happy ending. >> unbelievable. also this close call for some kids in washington state. they were playing in the mud in the town of medical lake when that -- when the lake started acting like quicksand. two of them, a boy and girl, became stuck. more now from colleen o'brien from abc affiliate kxny. >> reporter: brothers caleb and andrew were out for an afternoon of adventuring with friends when they found this -- a mud pit so big no kid could resist. >> it looks fun. >> reporter: and...