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Baltic countries. >> this brings me to the issue of sanctions. there's a multilayered question that i have for you. number one, should he be punished yet? should we be punishing putin for his actions already? he's essentially taken a country hostage. i know we haven't done that yet. but the second thing is, are you convinced that sanctions are effective anymore? >> i am if they are multilateral. got if it's the u.s. alone. that was policy of the past, administrations said it's america by ourselves, america alone. we don't need to listen to anyone else. but a multilateral sanctions, sanctions t...

Particularly base voters that largely don't show up in the same way that other voters show up in midterms. >> phil, what do we know about the relationship today between president biden and former president obama? and they both talked about their relationship when president obama was in the white house. and how does that compare to the relationship that we know of with vice president harris and president biden today? >> yeah, it's a great multilayered question that we could probably spend the next hour on. look, the way jen psaki, the white house press secretary, framed it is they're real frien...